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	<title>Comments on: There is no Enterprise</title>
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	<description>Digging the world of Enterprise 2.0</description>
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		<title>By: Library clips :: Post-KM : enterprise 2.0, facilitation and complexity :: October :: 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Library clips :: Post-KM : enterprise 2.0, facilitation and complexity :: October :: 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to finish off Gordon from Infovark has a gem on the individuals that make up the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Tropea</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>John Tropea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gordon,

I too think it's at the individual level, an implosion from the inside out. (kind of the difference between spirituality vs convincing people with religion).

There has to be a low barrier to entry and self interest for the employee, it has to make their day easy and more effective. In aggregate a culture develops naturally...they will start influencing each other.

The ROI has to be for the individual first, then hopefully these conditions spread....
http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2008/08/29/roi-for-the-knowledge-worker-is-roi-for-all-and-how-km-took-an-ironic-approach/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gordon,</p>
<p>I too think it&#8217;s at the individual level, an implosion from the inside out. (kind of the difference between spirituality vs convincing people with religion).</p>
<p>There has to be a low barrier to entry and self interest for the employee, it has to make their day easy and more effective. In aggregate a culture develops naturally&#8230;they will start influencing each other.</p>
<p>The ROI has to be for the individual first, then hopefully these conditions spread&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2008/08/29/roi-for-the-knowledge-worker-is-roi-for-all-and-how-km-took-an-ironic-approach/" rel="nofollow">http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2008/08/29/roi-for-the-knowledge-worker-is-roi-for-all-and-how-km-took-an-ironic-approach/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Individuals in Groups &#171; Infovark</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Individuals in Groups &#171; Infovark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in his groups and networks post. We&#8217;ve weighed in on the topic, too. Gordon wrote that there is no enterprise &#8212; it&#8217;s made of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enterprise has the same meaning in English too.  I can't say I'm unhappy about not having a copy of this "Robert and Collins" thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enterprise has the same meaning in English too.  I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m unhappy about not having a copy of this &#8220;Robert and Collins&#8221; thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Two Kinds of Enterprise Software &#171; Infovark</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Two Kinds of Enterprise Software &#171; Infovark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bertrand Duperrin</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertrand Duperrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was about to say something like "I totally agree..." when a question came to me.

It seems we both agree on the fact that considering enterprise only as an economic entity often makes us forget there are people behind. Let me also add that, thinking this way makes us consider enterprise as its own purpose despite it's just a mean to organize people to fulfill a mission (which, at the start, is an individual or collective goal set by human beings !).

Finally what I found interesting is that you may be pointing at a cultural issue. Maybe I'm wrong but as long as I can remember, when I read or listen to english speaking people, the word "enterprise" has always been used to designate an economic or legal structure. A quick search in the "Robert &#38; Collins" confirmed it.

In french the economic use of enterprise is a restriction of a more global concept which is more about "project". The verb "entreprendre" was born in the 15th century and meant "take in your hand". So in french "une entreprise" can be any project people may have, with or without organization, business. We can "entreprendre" a soccer game with friends, going shopping... Making a trip to discover a country can be an "entreprise", painting your living room alone or wth friends can also be an "enterprise". So it seems to me that, when we use "entreprise" outside of the business organization context you say project or undertakinfg. And when we say "entreprendre" you say "start upon" or begin.

Perhaps the only point is, while changing language, the word "enterprise" lost his original french meaning which was about "things people decide to do...whatever the purpose is".

Hope this will help you to feel more comfortable with the "E" word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was about to say something like &#8220;I totally agree&#8230;&#8221; when a question came to me.</p>
<p>It seems we both agree on the fact that considering enterprise only as an economic entity often makes us forget there are people behind. Let me also add that, thinking this way makes us consider enterprise as its own purpose despite it&#8217;s just a mean to organize people to fulfill a mission (which, at the start, is an individual or collective goal set by human beings !).</p>
<p>Finally what I found interesting is that you may be pointing at a cultural issue. Maybe I&#8217;m wrong but as long as I can remember, when I read or listen to english speaking people, the word &#8220;enterprise&#8221; has always been used to designate an economic or legal structure. A quick search in the &#8220;Robert &amp; Collins&#8221; confirmed it.</p>
<p>In french the economic use of enterprise is a restriction of a more global concept which is more about &#8220;project&#8221;. The verb &#8220;entreprendre&#8221; was born in the 15th century and meant &#8220;take in your hand&#8221;. So in french &#8220;une entreprise&#8221; can be any project people may have, with or without organization, business. We can &#8220;entreprendre&#8221; a soccer game with friends, going shopping&#8230; Making a trip to discover a country can be an &#8220;entreprise&#8221;, painting your living room alone or wth friends can also be an &#8220;enterprise&#8221;. So it seems to me that, when we use &#8220;entreprise&#8221; outside of the business organization context you say project or undertakinfg. And when we say &#8220;entreprendre&#8221; you say &#8220;start upon&#8221; or begin.</p>
<p>Perhaps the only point is, while changing language, the word &#8220;enterprise&#8221; lost his original french meaning which was about &#8220;things people decide to do&#8230;whatever the purpose is&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hope this will help you to feel more comfortable with the &#8220;E&#8221; word.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark - I agree that culture is an emergent property :)

People certainly do behave differently in groups. But I think that the best way to bring about change is to work at the bottom of the org chart - not the top. 

Perhaps, as @Jeremy said, we should focus more on those smaller groups of people. An overtly macro-level world view, which is the one that the C-level folk have, doesn't help the problem. (Perhaps it's a coincidence that the C-Level guys also seem to always hold the cheque-book... ) 

You can't change the culture without winning people's hearts and minds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark - I agree that culture is an emergent property <img src='http://www.infovark.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>People certainly do behave differently in groups. But I think that the best way to bring about change is to work at the bottom of the org chart - not the top. </p>
<p>Perhaps, as @Jeremy said, we should focus more on those smaller groups of people. An overtly macro-level world view, which is the one that the C-level folk have, doesn&#8217;t help the problem. (Perhaps it&#8217;s a coincidence that the C-Level guys also seem to always hold the cheque-book&#8230; ) </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t change the culture without winning people&#8217;s hearts and minds&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point well stated Gordon, especially the part where projects are "designed entirely in fairyland".  When we talk about ground up sponsorship and adoption, enterprise-level adoption is simply a byproduct.  The focus should be on the individual, or small groups of individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point well stated Gordon, especially the part where projects are &#8220;designed entirely in fairyland&#8221;.  When we talk about ground up sponsorship and adoption, enterprise-level adoption is simply a byproduct.  The focus should be on the individual, or small groups of individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Masterson</title>
		<link>http://www.infovark.com/2008/06/27/no-enterprise/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Masterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that sounds good, but... What then?  You say: "If we want to change the way people work, we have to give up on this notion of “the enterprise” as the thing that needs to change." -- thereby implying that it's the people that need to change.  That's an oversimplification, too, though.

People behave in groups differently -- their behaviour in one group is different from their behaviour in another.  They adapt to the group.  This is as much a law of nature as what you're suggesting above.  Organisations *do* have a culture that exists outside of and is independent of the people who make it up -- like classes and instantations of same.  Changing that abstract culture is part of the game -- if we ignore it, as you seem to be suggesting, we'll fail just as surely.  Won't we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that sounds good, but&#8230; What then?  You say: &#8220;If we want to change the way people work, we have to give up on this notion of “the enterprise” as the thing that needs to change.&#8221; &#8212; thereby implying that it&#8217;s the people that need to change.  That&#8217;s an oversimplification, too, though.</p>
<p>People behave in groups differently &#8212; their behaviour in one group is different from their behaviour in another.  They adapt to the group.  This is as much a law of nature as what you&#8217;re suggesting above.  Organisations *do* have a culture that exists outside of and is independent of the people who make it up &#8212; like classes and instantations of same.  Changing that abstract culture is part of the game &#8212; if we ignore it, as you seem to be suggesting, we&#8217;ll fail just as surely.  Won&#8217;t we?</p>
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